Revision history[back]
click to hide/show revision 1
initial version

posted Nov 05 '10 at 00:36

newToNMR's gravatar image

newToNMR
33

What's wrong with this spectrum? Bruker TPPI 2D TOCSY

Hi,

I think this is probably a basic problem but I'm a bit inexperienced with NMR. I'm just trying to process an ethanol TOCSY spectrum from the biomolecular magnetic resonance data bank, but strange peaks are appearing at the very edge of the data.

The spectrum should look like this (processed in SpinWorks):

original

But when I perform a 2-dimensional Fourier transform using matNMR, or the fft Matlab functions I get the following:

matNMR image

It's not easily visible but there are 4 small peaks in the body of the spectrum as well as the 3 large ones at the very edge.

The data is from a Bruker spectrometer recorded using TPPI. There were zeros at the start of the FID so I used the "remove Bruker digital filter" option before processing. I performed a Fourier Transform in the T2 direction, and then T1 direction and that is the result. I don't understand why there are peaks at the very far edge of the data, and performing an fftshift results in 3 peaks at zero frequency.

Is this a result of a problem with the phase, or possibly because of solvent peaks? I used the automatic phase adjustment but the peaks at the edge were still there.

Is there some mistake I'm making that causes those peaks to appear at the edge? I processed data from another brand of spectrometer which had used STATES and the spectrum was as expected without anything at the edges.

Also, when I process other Bruker TPPI spectra from the same data bank for adanine TOCSY and HSQC, and methanol I have the same problem.

Any ideas/sugestions would be much appreciated, Thanks

click to hide/show revision 2
No.1 Revision

posted Nov 05 '10 at 05:05

newToNMR's gravatar image

newToNMR
33

What's wrong with this spectrum? Bruker TPPI 2D TOCSY

Hi,

I think this is probably a basic problem but I'm a bit inexperienced with NMR. I'm just trying to process an ethanol TOCSY spectrum from the biomolecular magnetic resonance data bank, but strange peaks are appearing at the very edge of the data.

The spectrum should look like this (processed in SpinWorks):

originaloriginal

But when I perform a 2-dimensional Fourier transform using matNMR, or the fft Matlab functions I get the following:

matNMR image

It's not easily visible but there are 4 small peaks in the body of the spectrum as well as the 3 large ones at the very edge.

The data is from a Bruker spectrometer recorded using TPPI. There were zeros at the start of the FID so I used the "remove Bruker digital filter" option before processing. I performed a Fourier Transform in the T2 direction, and then T1 direction and that is the result. I don't understand why there are peaks at the very far edge of the data, and performing an fftshift results in 3 peaks at zero frequency.

Is this a result of a problem with the phase, or possibly because of solvent peaks? I used the automatic phase adjustment but the peaks at the edge were still there.

Is there some mistake I'm making that causes those peaks to appear at the edge? I processed data from another brand of spectrometer which had used STATES and the spectrum was as expected without anything at the edges.

Also, when I process other Bruker TPPI spectra from the same data bank for adanine TOCSY and HSQC, and methanol I have the same problem.

Any ideas/sugestions would be much appreciated, Thanks

click to hide/show revision 3
No.2 Revision

posted Nov 05 '10 at 07:52

newToNMR's gravatar image

newToNMR
33

What's wrong with this spectrum? Bruker TPPI 2D TOCSY

Hi,

I think this is probably a basic problem but I'm a bit inexperienced with NMR. I'm just trying to process an ethanol TOCSY spectrum from the biomolecular magnetic resonance data bank, but strange peaks are appearing at the very edge of the data.

The spectrum should look like this (processed in SpinWorks):

original

But when I perform a 2-dimensional Fourier transform using matNMR, or the fft Matlab functions I get the following:

matNMR image

It's not easily visible but there are 4 small peaks in the body of the spectrum as well as the 3 large ones at the very edge.

The data is from a Bruker spectrometer recorded using TPPI. There were zeros at the start of the FID so I used the "remove Bruker digital filter" option before processing. I performed a Fourier Transform in the T2 direction, and then T1 direction and that is the result. I don't understand why there are peaks at the very far edge of the data, and performing an fftshift results in 3 peaks at zero frequency.

Is this a result of a problem with the phase, or possibly because of solvent peaks? I used the automatic phase adjustment but the peaks at the edge were still there.

Is there some mistake I'm making that causes those peaks to appear at the edge? I processed data from another brand of spectrometer which had used STATES and the spectrum was as expected without anything at the edges.

Also, when I process other Bruker TPPI spectra from the same data bank for adanine TOCSY and HSQC, and methanol I have the same problem.

Any ideas/sugestions ideas/suggestions would be much appreciated, Thanks

click to hide/show revision 4
No.3 Revision

posted Nov 12 '10 at 03:28

newToNMR's gravatar image

newToNMR
33

What's wrong with this spectrum? Bruker TPPI 2D TOCSY

Hi,

I think this is probably a basic problem but I'm a bit inexperienced with NMR. I'm just trying to process an ethanol TOCSY spectrum from the biomolecular magnetic resonance data bank, but strange peaks are appearing at the very edge of the data.

The spectrum should look like this (processed in SpinWorks):

original

But when I perform a 2-dimensional Fourier transform using matNMR, or the fft Matlab functions I get the following:

matNMR image

It's not easily visible but there are 4 small peaks in the body of the spectrum as well as the 3 large ones at the very edge.

The data is from a Bruker spectrometer recorded using TPPI. There were zeros at the start of the FID so I used the "remove Bruker digital filter" option before processing. I performed a Fourier Transform in the T2 direction, and then T1 direction and that is the result. I don't understand why there are peaks at the very far edge of the data, and performing an fftshift results in 3 peaks at zero frequency.

Is this a result of a problem with the phase, or possibly because of solvent peaks? I used the automatic phase adjustment but the peaks at the edge were still there.

Is there some mistake I'm making that causes those peaks to appear at the edge? I processed data from another brand of spectrometer which had used STATES and the spectrum was as expected without anything at the edges.

Also, when I process other Bruker TPPI spectra from the same data bank for adanine TOCSY and HSQC, and methanol I have the same problem.

Any ideas/suggestions would be much appreciated, Thanks

Update:

After writing my own function to parse the ser files I got this result after taking the complex Fourier transform:

FT

Since the complex Fourier transform of TPPI FIDs gives a symmetric spectrum, could I just truncate half of it and shift it so that 0ppm is in middle of half of the full spectrum? It seems like the 4 peaks on either side of the 3 central peaks are (kind of) symmetic?

I did this and obtained the following:

truncated

I thought this seemed somewhat reasonable although was not entirely sure because the spinworks spectrum only has positive ppm values for the indirect dimension but if I shift the axes so 0ppm is the center there will be negative values, right?

It was mentioned that if I wanted to take the real Fourier transform I could zero the imaginary values and take the complex Fourier transform (if I've understood correctly) but then I would need another algorithm to extract the data, is there somewhere I could read about the algorithm for extracting the data? When I did this and viewed the spectrum it seemed like there were four "copies" of the original.

Also, in the process of writing the parser I came accross a few sources that mentioned the 2nd and 3rd integers in every group of 4 integers in the ser file needed to be multiplied by -1. Is there an explanation somewhere for this? I thought that simply by modifying the phase according to TPPI we could achieve quadrature detection in the indirect dimenison.

Thanks again for the advice.

powered by CNPROG