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Hello, Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe (I thought there is a `tcl` script At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation. If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type `pa` - select all peaks, `oc` - copy peaks - **o**rnament **c**opy, click into another spectru and type `op` - paste). Command `pi` integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command `it` - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm. The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing `pk`. Command `pu` unlocks peaks. You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously. If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks. In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing `vS` - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.
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posted Jul 25 '10 at 09:59

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Evgeny Fadeev
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Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe (I thought there is a tcl script

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Jul 25 '10 at 10:20

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Evgeny Fadeev
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Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe (I thought there is a tcl script nmrPipe.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Jul 25 '10 at 10:22

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Evgeny Fadeev
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Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Jul 25 '10 at 11:06

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Evgeny Fadeev
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Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Jul 25 '10 at 19:02

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Evgeny Fadeev
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Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily and if I remember correctly - they either give that package free or have free evaluation.easily, couldn't find it on their site though.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Aug 06 '10 at 09:55

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Evgeny Fadeev
5771

Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily, couldn't find it easily. Links (must register on their Bruker site though.to access): 1 and 2

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Aug 06 '10 at 09:57

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Evgeny Fadeev
5771

Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily. Links (must register on Bruker site to access): 1windows version and 2linux version.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Mostly because of familiarity and the mechanical memory of typing commands.

Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Aug 06 '10 at 09:58

Evgeny%20Fadeev's gravatar image

Evgeny Fadeev
5771

Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the last 50th ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily. Links (must register on Bruker site to access): windows version and linux version.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Mostly because of familiarity and the mechanical memory of typing commands.

Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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posted Aug 06 '10 at 09:59

Evgeny%20Fadeev's gravatar image

Evgeny Fadeev
5771

Hello,

Unfortunately I can't answer for nmrDraw, because I only use it when I process data (FT, etc) with nmrPipe.

Maybe you'll benefit by changing your title to something like "Software to analyze 2D T1 and T2 relaxation rate data?" - that way the question will probably attract answers about other programs.

At the 50th ENC Clemens Anklin showed a program written at Bruker that does that sort of analysis easily. Links (must register on Bruker site to access): windows version and linux version.

If I had to do this analysis myself I would use Sparky. Mostly because of familiarity and the mechanical memory of typing commands.commands. Hand-typed commands in sparky give you very fast access to all functions of the software.

Copy-pasting peaks in sparky from one spectrum to another is very simple (click into first spectrum, type pa - select all peaks, oc - copy peaks - ornament copy, click into another spectru and type op - paste). Command pi integrates selected peaks - runs fitting and calculates peak volumes. Command it - gives access to options used by the integration algorithm.

You can select multiple peaks by holding Shift key while clicking on the peaks.

The fitting routine moves peak positions to fit the data better - and it is not always accurate at that. If you don't want the peaks to move then you can lock the by typing pk. Command pu unlocks peaks.

You can integrate peaks either one-by-one or in bulk - depending on how many are selected. When peaks overlap then they need to be fitted simultaneously.

If you want peak volumes then it's a very good idea to check the quality of peak fitting. IMO even the best fitting algorithms will fail when fitting areas with many overlapped peaks.

In sparky you can turn on display of X and Y 1D slices by typing vS - when you put your mouse over the peak you will see 1D lines of real data and fitting curves.

In the end you will have several spectra with picked and integrated peaks. Command lt opens the peak list which can be saved in the text format and you can select what goes into the spectrum.

Sparky does not provide means to analyze multiple peak tables - you'll have to do that externally with whatever tool you prefer - e.g. excel, your own perl/python/tcl scripts, etc.

Well - as you can see - sparky gives access to many "low-level" functions via short hand-typed commands (they are also accessible through menus though). Probably learning enough of those commands is the biggest part of the learning curve, but IMO it is still easier than learning how to navigate through complex user interfaces - by clicking on menus, buttons, etc.

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