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WEFT water suppression on Varian?

I am working with carbohydrates and in 1D NMR we have anomeric protons very close to the HOD peak, sometimes even right under there. In the lab where I used to work we had a bruker machine with an adapted WEFT pulse (described by Hard et al, 1995), which basically does a 180 degree pulse on the HOD, followed by a HS pulse of 50 usec, d1 times to have 0 magnetization on HOD, then a detection pulse.

Since the HOD relaxes much slower than the glycan H-C protons you get about 80% signal on nearby glycan protons and your HOD is usually nearly gone. Glycan protons farther away from the HOD are at full signal strength (which is not so in the normal WEFT pulse described in 1972)

Where I work now, we have Varian machines with pre-installed PRESAT and WET1D pulses, however, these pulses do not only suppress the HOD signal, but also remove any carbohydrate signal that is near, or under, the HOD signal. Does anyone know of a way to adjust settings in the WET1D, which uses a shaped pulse for the HOD suppression much like the WEFT, to avoid the glycan signal suppression? Or do I have to try and get our old bruker pulse from my previous employer and try to translate it into Varian language?

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posted Apr 11 '13 at 04:38

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WEFT water suppression on Varian?

I am working with carbohydrates and in 1D NMR we have anomeric protons very close to the HOD peak, sometimes even right under there. In the lab where I used to work we had a bruker machine with an adapted WEFT pulse (described by Hard et al, 1995), which basically does a 180 degree pulse on the HOD, followed by a HS pulse of 50 usec, d1 times to have 0 magnetization on HOD, then a detection pulse.

Since the HOD relaxes much slower than the glycan H-C protons you get about 80% signal on nearby glycan protons and your HOD is usually nearly gone. Glycan protons farther away from the HOD are at full signal strength (which is not so in the normal WEFT pulse described in 1972)

Where I work now, we have Varian machines with pre-installed PRESAT and WET1D pulses, however, these pulses do not only suppress the HOD signal, but also remove any carbohydrate signal that is near, or under, the HOD signal. Does anyone know of a way to adjust settings in the WET1D, which uses a shaped pulse for the HOD suppression much like the WEFT, to avoid the glycan signal suppression? Or do I have to try and get our old bruker pulse from my previous employer and try to translate it into Varian language?

Added info: I have here in Bruker language the pulseprogram: define list<gradient> EA=<ea>

;$Id: Grad2.incl,v 1.12 2007/01/22 14:22:35 ber Exp $

6 "/opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1_weftsel" 2

"p16=1000u" "d16=400u" "d13=3u" ;"d1=10m"

1 "mcline 13 file /opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1weftsel dc-measurement inserted automatically"

dccorr

13 "/opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1_weftsel"

1 ze 2 d1 (p12:sp1 ph29):f1 50u setnmr3|0 setnmr0|34|32|33 ctrlgrad 0 p16:gp1 d16 20u setnmr3^0 setnmr0^34^32^33 ctrlgrad 7 d2 pl1:f1 p1 ph1 d13 p1 ph2 d13 p1 ph3 go=2 ph31 wr #0 exit

ph1=0 2 ph2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 ph3=0 0 2 2 1 1 3 3 ph31=0 2 2 0 1 3 3 1 2 0 0 2 3 1 1 3 ph29= 0

;p12: selective 180 degree pulse [60 msec] ;d1=10m ;d2: relaxation time for HOD:(1.4s-td of 16k ; or 700 ms for 8k ;p1: 90 degree fnsmitter high power pulse ;d13: short delay for phase delay line [3 usec] ;pl1: powerlevel for hard 90deg pulse ;sp1: shapepulsepower_level for sel 180deg on solvent ;gp1: info (strength + shape) of gradient pulse: gpz1 to adjust strength ; gpz1=20 (%) ;weft8: d2 = ca. 600ms ;weft16: d2 = 1.1s ;

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posted Apr 11 '13 at 04:40

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WEFT water suppression on Varian?

I am working with carbohydrates and in 1D NMR we have anomeric protons very close to the HOD peak, sometimes even right under there. In the lab where I used to work we had a bruker machine with an adapted WEFT pulse (described by Hard et al, 1995), which basically does a 180 degree pulse on the HOD, followed by a HS pulse of 50 usec, d1 times to have 0 magnetization on HOD, then a detection pulse.

Since the HOD relaxes much slower than the glycan H-C protons you get about 80% signal on nearby glycan protons and your HOD is usually nearly gone. Glycan protons farther away from the HOD are at full signal strength (which is not so in the normal WEFT pulse described in 1972)

Where I work now, we have Varian machines with pre-installed PRESAT and WET1D pulses, however, these pulses do not only suppress the HOD signal, but also remove any carbohydrate signal that is near, or under, the HOD signal. Does anyone know of a way to adjust settings in the WET1D, which uses a shaped pulse for the HOD suppression much like the WEFT, to avoid the glycan signal suppression? Or do I have to try and get our old bruker pulse from my previous employer and try to translate it into Varian language?

Added info: I have here in Bruker language the pulseprogram: define list<gradient> EA=<ea>

;$Id: Grad2.incl,v 1.12 2007/01/22 14:22:35 ber Exp $

6 "/opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1_weftsel" 2

"p16=1000u" "d16=400u" "d13=3u" ;"d1=10m"

1 "mcline 13 file /opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1weftsel dc-measurement inserted automatically"

dccorr

13 "/opt/topspin/exp/stan/nmr/lists/pp/user/b1_weftsel"

1 ze 2 d1 (p12:sp1 ph29):f1 50u setnmr3|0 setnmr0|34|32|33 ctrlgrad 0 p16:gp1 d16 20u setnmr3^0 setnmr0^34^32^33 ctrlgrad 7 d2 pl1:f1 p1 ph1 d13 p1 ph2 d13 p1 ph3 go=2 ph31 wr #0 exit

ph1=0 2 ph2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 ph3=0 0 2 2 1 1 3 3 ph31=0 2 2 0 1 3 3 1 2 0 0 2 3 1 1 3 ph29= 0

;p12: selective 180 degree pulse [60 msec] ;d1=10m ;d2: relaxation time for HOD:(1.4s-td of 16k ; or 700 ms for 8k ;p1: 90 degree fnsmitter high power pulse ;d13: short delay for phase delay line [3 usec] ;pl1: powerlevel for hard 90deg pulse ;sp1: shapepulsepower_level for sel 180deg on solvent ;gp1: info (strength + shape) of gradient pulse: gpz1 to adjust strength ; gpz1=20 (%) ;weft8: d2 = ca. 600ms ;weft16: d2 = 1.1s ;

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